tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post8380153289320850657..comments2024-01-07T12:13:21.793+00:00Comments on Craig Dearden-Phillips: The Great DebateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-57522620573189060472008-06-10T10:57:00.000+01:002008-06-10T10:57:00.000+01:00Northern Rock wasn't a small voluntary organisatio...Northern Rock wasn't a small voluntary organisation. I have my mortgage with the bank and a couple of years before everybody became aware of their inadequacies I had to organise a change of mortgage with them. More than once I felt like saying that if the small voluntary organisation I worked for was as incompetent as they were, then people might have an argument for accusing us of being hippies with open toed sandals. People in suits aren't automatically good at their jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-43393004236996196902008-06-09T16:38:00.000+01:002008-06-09T16:38:00.000+01:00Hi Craig, I enjoyed the conference but didn't find...Hi Craig, I enjoyed the conference but didn't find either position on the debate convincing, so decided to stick with my initial vote, which was in itself a wild guess. Tim's right - the provocative debate question was problematic. <BR/><BR/>Having had dealings with Business in the Community, I was impressed with the thought and concern about social enterprise in very large businesses but can see the almost insurmountable hurdle of cynicism from the public and the media. A major problem with social enterprise is how to market the principles effectively without looking as though lots of money that could have gone to direct support has been spent on advertising or management.Shirley Pickfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258912239960783725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-29456575358225101362008-06-09T13:56:00.000+01:002008-06-09T13:56:00.000+01:00Hi Craig/allAgree the debate was good, but perhaps...Hi Craig/all<BR/>Agree the debate was good, but perhaps you could have brought to the party some of your blog comments...however, there was not a middle ground, that social enterprise (or whatever you want to call it) might be the future of business, or certainly be a more mainstream way of doing things. Yes, there will always be a need for some activity to be "charitable", in much the same way there will always be self interest (capitalism). Perhaps we all should spend less energy/time/effort in discussing definitions, and more time in "doing". But as a starting point, I enjoyed the day (even if I struggled a little to stretch my 10 min workshop slot into an hour).<BR/>Big thanks to the organising team too. Regards<BR/>MylesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-80870644270554456922008-05-30T10:43:00.001+01:002008-05-30T10:43:00.001+01:00Hi CraigI was at the 'Great Debate' and enjoyed it...Hi Craig<BR/><BR/>I was at the 'Great Debate' and enjoyed it immensely :-)<BR/><BR/>Your description is pretty accurate - I think you know that you were always going to have to persuade people away from their starting points, whereas Debra had the relatively easier job of reinforcing what many already believed. Both of you made excellent points.<BR/><BR/>Craig, at the end I voted against the motion - despite basically being aligned with your views on contestability and entrepreneurship: the problem was the motion - "Is Social Enterprise the future of capitalism or a load of old hype?'. I don't think that SE is especially the future of capitalism......but I would have happily supported something like "Is Social Enterprise the future of the Third Sector?".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-61578712233035601432008-05-30T10:43:00.000+01:002008-05-30T10:43:00.000+01:00Hi CraigI thought your argument was quite inspirin...Hi Craig<BR/>I thought your argument was quite inspiring, I work for a local charity developing social enterprises. I fortunately have a forward thinking board of trustees & management team who allow me to develop plans/ideas that will lead to income generation to support the core work of the trust, as well as those who work within the enterprise.<BR/><BR/>I hope to be able to someday generate enough income through trading to allow us not to rely on grants etc to fund our excellent work<BR/><BR/>Also thanks to andy and his team for a good day.jon dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289531483245278388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-39132555032683244722008-05-30T09:46:00.000+01:002008-05-30T09:46:00.000+01:00CraigGood to see you last week.A very good event p...Craig<BR/><BR/>Good to see you last week.<BR/><BR/>A very good event put on by Andy & team.<BR/><BR/>Good to hear your views supporting social enterprise.<BR/><BR/>Kind regards,<BR/><BR/>Gareth GaultAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-17616777363735499062008-05-29T20:55:00.000+01:002008-05-29T20:55:00.000+01:00isvcrzgClick on my name above to check out some ph...isvcrzgClick on my name above to check out some photos of the '3rd Sector Futures' event, including the debaters...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-73207494798127793892008-05-28T22:13:00.000+01:002008-05-28T22:13:00.000+01:00Glad you enjoyed (?) the day Craig and thanks for ...Glad you enjoyed (?) the day Craig and thanks for the kind words.<BR/><BR/>We will put some photos up soon at www.3rdsectorfutures.co.uk - let me know if you want any.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4742385127651266632.post-16392160129405103642008-05-27T12:28:00.000+01:002008-05-27T12:28:00.000+01:00I really liked this post, Craig. Who would have th...I really liked this post, Craig. Who would have thought people would travel all that way to debate social enterprise if they just thought it was rubbish? I wouldn't go see Kasabian in concert just to reaffirm my opinion that it's music by morons for morons. <BR/><BR/>I read some pseduo-research that says, if you give people logical reasons why their belief is wrong, you only entrench their belief further. <BR/><BR/>It's counter intuitive. That's why I remember it. <BR/><BR/>What's the alternative to using reason and logic? The author of the book containing said insight, Stephen Denning, says you have to go for hearts first. For that, you need to use stories. <BR/><BR/>Storytelling is a big deal in marketing right now. The trick is to do with honesty and authenticity - not qualities marketing is renowned for.Ian Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03978021688455192410noreply@blogger.com